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When It Comes To Handpans, EVERYONE is an Expert! (Part 1)

This is quite an in depth topic, so I will have to go in parts and before I get to the meat of the matter, I just need to set the stage. 

So let's imagine for a moment.....

 

Can you imagine if a Black Trini or other another Black Caribbean native went to Southern Germany or Switzerland, studied the manufacturing process of Lederhosen, and took an old, outdated pair of Lederhosen from the 1940's back to the Caribbean and marketed, reproduced them, and tweaked them here and there?

Can you subsequently imagine the outrage if this same fictional Black Caribbean native then began to seek patents on modified lederhosen and mass market them as a Caribbean invention for up to 10x MORE than the price of traditional Bavarian lederhosen!? 

The Bavarians would be in an uproar! 

This ficitonal scenario is somewhat analogous to the recent handpan phenomenon, while the real life scenairio where steelpan is being culturally misapropriated and exploited by Europeans is something that is willfully ignored and disregarded by many in the handpan community.

The only real difference in these two scenarios is that Europeans never had to endure the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and colonization under the domination of negroes!

Were the shoe on the other foot so to speak, and Europeans in the position of the negroes and vice versa, I would dare say that this fictional scenario of a Black Trini patenting a tweaked out pair of lederhosen and being able to charge 10x the amount of the original lederhosen on the world market would be permitted and the norm, quite frankly. 

Slavery and colonization of the negroes itself was a game changer in every way! One way it changed the game is it forced a beaten down, oppressed population of West Indian negroes in T&T to start being resourceful with discarded materials and invent the steelpan in order to escape the tyranny and misery of colonial oppression. 

It is safe to say that all things that negroes in the West create (steelpan, jazz, hip hop, reggae, etc) are open and subject to expoitation by Europeans, but anything exclusively European is generally closed for the most part to negroes.  

Look no further at the handpan community by and large, and this much is clear.

But for historical reasons due to the legacy of slavery and colonization, this ficitonal scenario of the Caribbean business man patenting a version of lederhosen and mass marketing them as a CAribbean invention would never be allowed to come to pass! 

On the contrary, in keeping with my assertion that things created by negroes are always open and subject to exploitation by Europeans, the steelpan is another perfectly fitting example! It is an open playing field for the Handpan Mafia and other  unscrupulous makers to exploit as they please obviously. 

Racism unfortunately, plays a role in every aspect of human activity and music is certainly not an exception. Just because racism does not affect Europeans in the negative way it does negroes on a daily, constant, never ending basis, they as the beneficiaries of ''white privilige'' reap the rewards of the suffering of negores to this very day and have historically as a group.

Therefore, there is a strong sense of entitlement present in huge swaths of the handpan community which is largely comprised of Europeans or those of European descent, a sense of entitlement that allows many of them like the trolls here to claim with impunity and a straight face that the handpan is a ''Swiss creation''.  Regardless of the fact I have proven that this is a bold faced lie in previous posts.

 

But I learned a long time ago that life is not fair, and I am reminded of this cold, hard fact everyday. This does not prevent KaribPAN from enaging in socially conscious, ethical practices when conducting the business of pan, however! 

Our integrity speaks for itself! 

Concerning handpans, a phenomenon that I witness among many self proclaimed handpan enthusiasts is the tendency for them to more often than not, put on a ''tuning expert'' hat when discussing various instruments from various makers. 

Keeping in line with the strong elitist attitude that is prevalent among many such self proclaimed handpan enthusiasts, these individuals naturally feel that they know best about all things handpan/handpan tuning. They operate from a completely subjective point of view while touting themselves as ''experts''. 

Considering the fact that the handpan in its modern reincarnation is less than 20 years old and there are still yet many more innovations to be made regarding the instrument as far as tuning techniques, shell crafting and geometry, etc,  it is unwise to think that a new, one dimensional handpan maker  who just began tuning within the past 15 years (the approximate age of the reincarnated handpan) has the edge over a steelpan tuner, who has been tuning pans PRIOR to to the modern reincarnation of the handpan. This is elitism at its worst and it is quite prevalent. Just read through the comments on the previous blog posts, NONE of which were made by traditional pannists, and my point will become clear if it is not already. 

In order to make my point even more clear, I will highlight some DISHONORABLE mentions from the comment boards in order to illustrate my point! 

First, we have ''Todd G.'', who provides opportunity after opportunity for me to dismantle piece by piece, the lies of many of the other handpan trolls whose sentiments he echoes. 

 

Todd G. states that:

 

  • ''First, the assumption of a “mafia” implies an organized structure that controls things. There are a number of makers, but in no way do they act cohesively (which is probably for the best)''

     

    Undoubtedly, there is an organized structure that controls things at the top of the handpan industry in terms of artificially inflating handpan prices. And then they maintain that they have ''thousands'' of clients on their waiting lists in order to maintain these artificially high prices over time . These ''waiting lists'' are strictly a tactic used by the Handpan Mafia to limit demand at the overly inflated, high end of the market. 

    Todd G. goes on to state that:

     

    ''In the end, those in the market, potential buyers, make decisions about which makers and instruments are the best. It is far more a case of “bottom up” decisions from players and buyers, rather than a “top down” imposition from the makers. ''

     

    Again, Todd G. is unabashedly displaying his ignorance because as I just explained, due to a limited hand pan supply, especially at the high end of the market, it is a MAKER'S market, not a buyers market, becuase when supply is limited, products are more expensive, handpans included! So again, Todd G. and many other commenters like him would like you to believe that everything they teach you about Econ 101 should be thrown out the window! 

    What reasonable person would take anything someone like Todd G. has to say seriously, I mean, who do these trolls really think they are fooling?

    There is virtually no industry I am aware of including the handpan industry where buyers determine the value of a product where demand is greater than supply! 

     

    Todd G. goes on to say,

     

    ''Second, pointing to a 100% satisfaction rating clearly ignores those who have chosen not to buy an instrument because they deem it of poor quality.''

    Here is another fallacious tactic that TROLLS like Todd G. use to discredit KaribPAN! 

    A 100% customer satisfaction guarantee from multiple customers is an OBJECTIVE standard by which to measure the quality of a maker such as KaribPAN or an other outfit for that matter!

    Instead of applying an objective standard, Todd G. would like reasonable readers to belive that a SUBJECTIVE, UNKNOWN standard of measure, such as the people who DO NOT (focused on the negative again) buy from us as the benchmark of a good maker! Pray tell, Todd G:, how do you quantify those customers who never bought from us or anyone else? 

    The answer is, you cannot quantify them because it is a SUBJECTIVE criterion by nature!

     

    I think I am done with Todd G. for right now because at this point, he has lost all credibility if he had any in the first place.

    Now I will move to Seth, who is just basically parroting off the same TROLLING comments as all of the other handpan trolls who thought they would get an easy meal over here! If you notice, the trolls who were swarming about stinking up the joint so steadily have now realized there is no food here! So they are slowly slinking away and now the REAL discussions can begin! 

     

    Seth states, 

    ''I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for you to understand that handpan COMES from steel pan, but it’s not a steel pan, so it’s different instrument and, as every instrument, we can trace the moment it has been created: 2000, Bern, Switerland by PANArt.''

     

    And this is precisely one of the reasons why KaribPAN is on this grueling, painstaking mission! Ignorance is rife among the handpan community because there are many other people just like Seth who are completely ignorant of the history of the instrument that they claim they love.. Either that, or they willfully suppress that history in Handpan Mafia like fashion and perpetuate the lie that the handpan is a European invention.

     

    Todd G. and Seth, congratulations on receiving the first ever, ''KaribPAN DISHONORABLE Mentions!

     

     

    STAY TUNED FOR PART 2 COMING SOON!

     

     

     

     



 



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  • Admin on

    Hey Nick,

    thanks for the comments. Stay tuned to PART 2 of this blog post ‘’ When it Comes to Handpans, EVERYONE is an Expert’’, and maybe, just maybe, I will give you a KaribPAN DISHONORABLE MENTION along with Bhatav if he does not straighten up his act and correct himself.

  • Nick on

    Please stop making these posts when you clearly know quite little how everything started and is beeing run up to this day in the handpan sector. I think if you would spend the same amount of time writing this awful readings, your steelpans would already sound alot more like a handpan and yes i’m also talking about your handpans too… Clearly they are tuned from a steelpan perspective and not from a handpan perspective (so they sound like a steelpan) and then to go make claims like your tuners are superior to the “still-quite-young” tuners in the handpan world is just rubbish… this gives me a big laugh. If you are as passionate about making these posts as you would be with building, then it would take less then 5min to realise this but clearly you are more passionate about your grudges towards third-party’s then you are passionate with your instruments. So please, start to look into your bosom before pointing the fingers to other people… Yes the steelpan is the origin of the handpan, but so have alot other aspects had an influence on building the handpan… like the ghatam for example… This does not make the originators superior, it’s a new field… so these people will have alot more insight first-hand then a newbie trying to learn it from scratch but it does not make them superior…
    Lastly, trying to make exactly these claims against victor… lol… Have you even tried to compare yours with his or are you really just leaving yourself clueless and frustrated? And this comes from personal taste and listening to your “tuners” creations, not from some pre-made biased oppinion…

    No personal grudges against you…

    Have a good day and
    Best Regards,

  • ToddG on

    Dear Mr. Karibpan,

    Thank you for disproving the lie that the handpan is a European invention! I now understand how the Handpan Mafia is in control of prices and manipulating naive, stupid people like me. You have helped me to reach this level of enlightenment by repeating the assertion, while adding in words like “undoubtedly.” Really, if there is no doubt in your mind, I don’t see how there could be in anyone else’s.

    And that they have removed the handpan from the lineage of the steel pan. I had actually never heard that steelpan and handpan were related before!!! (Dumb me, I hadn’t even seen that both end with pan, but, believe me, now I get it!) This prompted me to do some research on makers like PANArt (who even reject the term handpan) and Pantheon Steel. How stupid I felt when I saw that they were also using PAN in their names. After a great deal of research by a large team, I actually found out THE TRUTH. Both of these makers COME FROM A STEELPAN MAKING AND PLAYING BACKGROUND. Of course, they went to great lengths to conceal this history, so it wasn’t easy to see. Before, I was seduced by the Handpan Mafia, a group that continues to commit either a willful or non-willful conspiracy. (Before now, I didn’t even know that there could be a non-willful conspiracy. But I’ve learned so much in the past few days.) Now I’m telling everyone I talk to THE TRUTH!

    Watch out, HANDPAN MAFIA, we see EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I am standing up to you, HANDPAN MAFIA GODFATHER! (OR GODMOTHER!) (whoever you are)

    Previously, when someone directed me to picture the first thing that comes to my mind, I used to do exactly that. Let my own mind come up with a picture. Thanks to your incredibly helpful blog posts, I now see that I was wrong in picturing the first thing that came to my mind. I will never make that mistake again. The next time I am told to come up with the first picture that comes to my mind, I will consult with you, take what you tell me as the most certain best answer, and then think of the first thing that you have instructed me to imagine. I greatly appreciate the EDUCATION that you are providing me!

    You have also proven, with your ingenious method of comparing the first three results in a Google image search, the great differences between the two communities—handpan and steelpan. Honestly, I had never thought of this brilliant method of research, either. I feel a bit silly admitting this now, but I don’t see how anyone could come up with any different conclusion.
    I was previously uninformed, and easily led. But now you have informed me, and led me (fairly easily, I might add) to being well informed by reading several of your blog posts. Thank you!

    From the comfort of your blogging station, I can see that, “It is safe to say that many of first time handpan owners or expectant owners have little to no musical background.” I’m not sure how you came to this conclusion, but by now I have learned not to disagree with, or question you, on any matter. That would certainly qualify me to be called out as a TROLL. In fact, I’m going to one up you on that one, and say that it is VERY safe to make that claim. I also did a Google image search, and boy, do the results entirely support your claim!

    Another point on which I was entirely mistaken, I now see that by quantifying subjective criteria (like eBay feedback, which means what a wide range of people deems “positive” or “negative”

    ), and using the ingenious method of calculating a percentage, that information magically becomes “OBJECTIVE”! Brilliant! The wizardry of finding the percentage totally transforms the data. Honestly, I had never thought of it that way.

    I am now going off to begin my training as a traditional pannist. I hope after 20 years that I may be able to return and offer an opinion that is based on something. I do have some fear that because of my race, and not originating from the Caribbean, that I may be rejected by the pannists, since you seem to imply that those are very important aspects to be a true pannist. I hope this is not considered cultural misappropriation, since I am of the wrong race and country/region of origin. But I am sure that the victims of past racism (and their descendants) would not be so racist as to deny me this opportunity for EDUCATION. Which will enable me to, eventually, present my credentials so that I can be respected as a true EXPERT!

    I realized that I previously lost credibility with you (if I had any in the first place). Perhaps over some time, and by profusely thanking you for sharing your knowledge, experience, and dizzying intellect, I can hope to gain (or regain) at least a bit of credibility.

    I am very hopeful that I can continue to learn now that the REAL DISCUSSION is ready to begin. Now that you have vanquished these terrible TROLLS who actually disagree with you. And I am now in solidarity with you in this fight for THE TRUTH!

    Run, TROLLS, run!

    EAGERLY AWAITING PART 2!!!!!!

  • Admin on

    Willow, for the 10th time already,

    personal taste and opinion is ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE, especially coming from a novice such as yourself or any other handpan troll on here. So stop wasting your typing energy typing paragraph upon paragraph of meaningless jibberish, which is entirely SUBJECTIVE nonsense on your part.

    YOu are spamming now as far as I am concerned.

    Madhav,stop acting like a MAD HAT!

    I will give you one opportunity now to retract your statements before I go in on you and distmantle every point you made, 1 by 1. So I am hoping you will save me the energy of exposing you for the illogical, elitist, BIASED troll you are and just apologize for spweing lies. Make it easier on yourself as well if you hope to have any credibility on these comment boards with your present email and username!
  • Willow on

    Regardless of your history teachings, the point remains that a lot of people have actually uttered their opinion on your pans, based on their personal taste. I admit, not always in the best way. But their “taste” has been made clear nonetheless. You stated to another person who voiced their opinion that you could not know how many people do not like your instruments, but you call those that say they do not a troll or misguided at best…

    There is imo an easy way to find out though, if you would truly want to know: You could invite a handpan player you like or a steelpan player that is also proficient at playing handpan (which, considering it is “much easier”, shouldn’t be too difficult). Then find people with other brand pans from different makers that are considered to be good, preferably in the same or similar scale (so best to choose a common scale). Then record a little tune on the different pans (don’t forget your own) from the same player with the same equipment in the same circumstances, edit out the image so only the sound remains and number each fragment. Add a little questionnaire based on the numbered fragments to find out what people like and dislike and how they would rate the sound of each pan and put the questionnaire and video out there. Regardless of the lack of understanding a lot of us handpanners may or may not have regarding the history and tuning of the instrument, it will still show you who likes and who dislikes which instruments in the video. Which I am sure can only help your cause as to become the best possible steelpan/handpan makers around, showing everybody the error of their ways.

    And also, your truth, nor the history of steelpan/handpan as it stands, will change the following statements… “…not everyone is an expert nor do they (or I) claim to be one. People do however know what they like and what they do not like. For example, I do not like Brussels sprouts, and no matter how many people tell me how delicious they feel the sprouts are, it will not make me like them. Because based on my personal experience (not hearsay) I actually know I do not like them and much prefer eating carrots and peas for example. The same is true for instruments, and not just for handpans. A person does not need to be an expert to appreciate the sound of one type of guitar strings, and dislike the sound of another. Taste is subjective. Taste is personal. Taste has very little to do with expertise. When one shares the expertise with a novice that goes into making/building/creating something they do not like, it may help the novice in nurturing an appreciation and respect for the art, but it will still not magically make them like something they just do not like. So when it comes to handpans, I am NO expert, but I know what I like, and dislike. :)”



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